Apple’s letting us monetizing within the Apple Podcasts app now, while Spotify is teaming up with the #TeamZuck to bring Spotify players (and podcasts!) to Facebook. WTF is even happening right now?

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    Facebook is partnering with Spotify to basically destroy podcasting as we know it. Is that good? We don’t know… we just know it’s different. Get off our lawn!
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    Apple Podcasts is finally allowing podcasters to sell podcasts instead of allowing them to be perpetually free so all us creatives starve to death in front of a microphone.
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    That’s right, baby. RTP-a-Palooza is officially happening. It’s going to be a live and in-person version of Podcast After Dark.

“‘Shots fired’ is two words if you say it fast enough…”

— Pedro Maciel

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This week we’re speaking broadly and in response to last weeks multiple bombshells on the monetization and partnership fronts. Apple Podcasts will now allow podcasters to charge for podcasts, and Facebook has partnered with Spotify to create a new podcast-inclusive social audio feature within the Facebook ecosystem. Looks like things are getting real on Real Talk Podcasting this week. 

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 Tanner Campbell: This episode of real talk, podcasting is brought to you in part by your tech and the, your tech report podcast. Why tr cuts through the megapixels, gigabits and geek, speak with reviews, unboxings, and insights. That answer the two questions consumers care most about is this new gadget service or product worth my money.

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Hey everybody. Welcome back to real top podcasting I’m Tanner. I’m joined by my cohost Roman and Pedro Rowan Pedro say hi, the nice people. Oh, LA people. Privy you guys, one word reactions for how much has gone on this week. I mean, it’s been, my word would be bonkers. Roman shots [00:01:00] fired. That’s two words, but that’s okay.

Pedro, if you say 

Pedro Maciel: quick enough, it’s with one. So 

Tanner Campbell: yeah, it’s 

Roman Prokopchuk: hyphenated. 

Pedro Maciel: Uh, interesting. 

Tanner Campbell: Oh man. Yeah. I think all those are right. Apple has dropped some bombs, Facebook, Spotify, straps, some moms. Uh, but before we get into those things, let’s do a little bit of housekeeping and we’ll start with something that Roman actually caught on social just before we started recording, which is at Riverside’s kind of hit, I wouldn’t call it a milestone, but another big thing in their development and moving forward as a company, Riverside, of course, being the platform that we use to host our, our conversations and record this podcast with double lenders and such Roman what’d you read?

Yeah, so 

Roman Prokopchuk: they just got a $9.5 million. I believe of fresh funding. One of the main investors is a guy Raz. I forgot that they actually came out of technically the pandemic. They were just started, I guess, March of 2020, which is pretty interesting in the group 

Tanner Campbell: pretty fast. So that’s a big name [00:02:00] too guy. Ross is known for so much.

Of course, the NPR and Ted talks. And. All those things. And I mean, they’ve got some big clients they did. I think they had a real breakout moment when they worked with Hillary Clinton’s podcast. I think that that’s who she’s working with. Primarily, they’ve got Disney as clients. I mean, they’ve got some pretty big clients, so, uh, props to Riverside, well done another.

Checkbox or something, a milestone on your progress. We love working with you guys and I have since the start, so we’re not affiliates by the way or anything like that. We’re saying this because we’ve enjoyed it. We’ve never really had any problems with the platform. It’s not buggy. They just rolled out an iOS app that I don’t think any of us have had a chance to test because we all do this from actual computers and we don’t have guests, but, um, Preliminary reports from users seem to like it pretty much a lot.

So that’s cool. Congratulations to Riverside. Let’s talk about the, not so obvious thing that happened this week, or we’ll put Apple off a bit and we’ll start with Roman telling us about some things going on at Facebook. But before that, we’re going to read the [00:03:00] one review we’ve gotten since last week.

It’s a five-star comes from ran M C K from Canada. Actually, I would be willing to bet that that’s Randy or Randall. He says five stars, RTP episode 10. Wow. Great episode. I just listened to your episode and the question when to label your podcast as a business really resonated, I just consolidated all my podcasts under my business name for two reasons.

One to protect myself. To my day job has been funding this venture. Now I’m structured to use these expenses to offset my taxes and to promote my books. Great info. Well, thanks Randall. We really appreciate that review. And of course we love it. When you come up to some of our stages and clubhouse, especially in the podcast morning chat.

If you’d like to leave us a review, you can do so on Apple podcasts or pod chase, or wherever it is that you leave reviews for things. But you know, you don’t have to, if you don’t want to, we haven’t gotten any one stars or two stars since last episode. That’s good. Huh, guys. That’s always good, 

Pedro Maciel: but Hey, I, we, we embrace the ones in the [00:04:00] twos as well.

We turn haters into likers over here.

Tanner Campbell: Facebook has announced that they’re going to be doing some partnership with Spotify. They’re going to be doing some audio, social network of their own, or some audio platform work of their own. Roman, tell us a little bit about that. Just high level. And then we can talk a little bit about it. Facebook going to 

Roman Prokopchuk: integrate podcasts, listening into the app as part of their new focus and kind of drive towards audio.

So basically they partnered with Spotify and that will enable them to push music and podcasts listening directly to. The Facebook platform. Another thing that was not able to be done before on Facebook is to share straight audio with this. You’re going to be able to [00:05:00] share audio as a social feature, but more than that, they’re also trying to create.

Monetization opportunities for podcasters like tipping subscription. Uh, if there’s a live on Facebook in terms of recording, paying specifically for that individual live live session or live recording of the episode, instead of having a full subscription subscription. And other features as well as, uh, other things where, you know, we already know that there’s about 170 million people connected in one way or another to a podcast pages on Facebook.

So they already have kind of an idea of, you know, who is a fan of what? So they’re going to utilize. Metrics that already are in play to also suggest and give podcast suggestions within the platform. And I think as well, you’d be able to [00:06:00] comment on episodes directly off of the Facebook platform if you’re listening on Facebook itself 

Tanner Campbell: as well.

So in that way, it’s almost like Facebook is becoming a podcast player in part, in addition to the live stuff. Yeah. I mean, 

Roman Prokopchuk: the you’re able to physically play podcasts episodes directly on Facebook with the powering and the relationship from a Spotify 

Tanner Campbell: partnership. And what’s the Spotify partnership look like, like, so it says that they’re going to Spotify is going to power the player.

What is Facebook going to get out of this? Other than a player they’re going to get access to music is they’re going to like, what other juicy details might we have on this? Yeah, 

Roman Prokopchuk: music. And obviously all the podcast content that Spotify currently has in the podcasts they have on Spotify. They’re kind of Facebook is kind of calling it project boombox currently.

So that’s kind of, um, I don’t know when this [00:07:00] relationship came about or if it’s, you know, with the changing times, I feel like a lot of things within the audio and podcast space are consolidating and there’s a lot of partnerships and kind of. You know, accesses of good and evil being created. But, uh, I feel like, uh, it’s, it’s an interesting time to be a podcast.

Tanner Campbell: You Facebook and Spotify seem like strange bedfellows because to me, they don’t, to me somehow that makes sense. They seem very similar and I don’t know, energy, big Mike energy, big Mike energy. Yeah. I think 

Roman Prokopchuk: they both have beef to a certain extent with, um, with Apple. Obviously Spotify from the, the music in the podcast, uh, portion of it, Facebook in terms of, you know, other consent, uh, considerations that they’ve had over time as well.

So I feel it’s like they’re teaming up in a way to combat maybe some of the moves that. [00:08:00] Apple will, uh, try to make, or is making 

Tanner Campbell: right. So is making we’re all at this point have heard the news that Apple podcast is allowing us to now monetize through the Apple podcast app. Now I’ve written an article on real talk, about what I think are the broad and far reaching implications of this move.

I think it’s going to impact a lot of industries, the podcast hosting industry, the ads industry, the ad buying industry. I think it’s going to have a profound effect on places like, um, Patrion and super cast. And if you want to read that article, uh, it’s a long one, but I would encourage you to go do so at real talk,

Now that not withstanding, this seems like the data collecting entities versus the. Advocates for privacy entities, right? Because the biggest interest to me between, uh, Spotify and Facebook partnership and apples, the big cheese stands alone [00:09:00] is that we know as creators that Spotify and Facebook, especially Facebook is going to give us access through some pretty advanced marketing tools and advertising tools, the Facebook advertising platform.

We’re going to learn things about people who engage with our content on those other two platforms on Spotify or. Presumably on Spotify. Now with the partnership with Facebook, if Facebook and Spotify wind up creating this super popular financially well backed music, including high tech solution, that also gives us the ability to understand our listeners.

Is this a podcast killer, the combination of those two things? Cause we, we will never have that from Apple. We’re never going to be able to put a Facebook tracking pixel on Apple’s end of things. They care too much about privacy. I mean, they won’t even give the police access to like criminals phones, right?

Like, we’ve seen that in the past. They’re not going to allow us to install Facebook [00:10:00] pixel tracking stuff, you know, on Apple podcasts. So I think the thing that’s coming into view for me is. We have a part of audio. That’s podcasting is kind of sacred. We like podcasting. Um, I’m a big fan. I know you guys are.

And then we have this other, like branch of audio entertainment and production. That is way more heavily, heavily, maybe corporatized, I guess, in who’s controlling it a lot more data collection. And I think like for us as producers of content, that’s really appealing for us. Right. Because it’s useful for us to know things about our audience.

What do you think about this being like a podcast killer Roman go. I don’t think it’s a 

Roman Prokopchuk: killer. I think it’s, um, something that will amplify. I mean, you get, you made a good point about the pixel, but an integration with Facebook and Spotify may help Spotify or Facebook may benefit that [00:11:00] relationship to Spotify and kind of reciprocate what they’re doing in terms of enabling Facebook to stream.

Obviously. Content from Spotify to Facebook. So that would be interesting. If you were able to enable the Facebook 

Tanner Campbell: tracking 

Roman Prokopchuk: pixel via your, uh, Spotify for podcasters dashboard or something like that, where you can get even more information about was actually listening and vice versa. I think it actually makes sense if somehow.

And to your Spotify for podcasts there’s dashboard, you’ll get a lot of additional insights and more demographics in terms of that data feed from Facebook directly. So you can understand your audience even more, which would be very cool 

Tanner Campbell: to me. So if you’re. A new podcast creator. And you’re considering the marketing aspect of how difficult it is to be successful in this medium.

Financially speaking, if you define success as financial success or audience growth, [00:12:00] and you know, how heavy a hand or role that marketing plays in that. And you’re thinking, do I create a podcast in what we understand is the traditional sense of podcasts? Where do I create an audio production on Facebook and get all the really cool features and data tracking and all these ways to understand my listeners?

Like, I feel like at least within the space of those of us who podcasts for money. Those of us who are podcasting in order to earn a living off of our creative output or who are podcasting for our businesses. I feel like we might be creating a division here between podcasters who create art and podcasters, who don’t Pedro, what do you think about that?

It’ll be 

Pedro Maciel: a very fine line between the art of podcasting to, to do a well robust production. And somebody that [00:13:00] is business oriented that is saying, I’m going to be able to come onto these platforms and utilize these features. These marketing features to reach as many people as I possibly can to benefit the business side of things.

Uh, so I, I think it, it, that that fine line will be there, but as you. Tear on either side, you’ll start to see growth from 

Tanner Campbell: both, which is more useful. Do you think, Pedro, do you think it’s good to be able to, you know, charge $4 a month for access to your podcast on Apple podcasts and have no access to data tracking or information about your listeners?

Or is it better to forgo the ease of that one button push for 99 a month or whatever? And go for a more traditional marketing heavy process where you do have access to all that data, and you can develop more robust understandings of your listeners and you can [00:14:00] get into the nitty gritty of like some pretty advanced marketing techniques.

I feel like some people are gonna prefer one over the other for sure. Right. Because some people will understand one over the other. But this is a very odd rift to me that I feel like this will create, I don’t know that I’m ready to say more on it, but, but it’s interesting. So maybe, maybe we just switch over and start talking about Apple podcasts and how this is a good thing, right?

I mean, it’s been really hard for podcasters since time immemorial, since the beginning of podcasts for us to monetize anything because podcasts are free and they’ve always been free. And people expect them to be free. And so when we want to make money, we don’t make it at the point of the play button, right.

We have to involve these other platforms like Patrion or super cast. And that’s just another step, which makes the funnel longer, which creates more friction and reduces the likelihood that anybody’s going to pay you anything. And it also creates situations where you have to create extra stuff for the people who would pay [00:15:00] you.

It’s not the stuff you make already. That’s good enough. That’s the extra stuff you got to make now. So you got to walk people through this longer grittier funnel and you have to do more work and that’s never been great. And the people who haven’t wanted to do those things have leaned on ad insertion or sponsorships, but none of us ever wanted to do that.

Like Roman, how long have you been podcasting? No, uh, it’ll be 

Roman Prokopchuk: four years. This, 

Tanner Campbell: uh, this fall. Did you ever have a podcast that was not for your business? Mm. I mean 

Roman Prokopchuk: indirectly, no. I mean, even 

Tanner Campbell: the, the show I have besides this 

Roman Prokopchuk: is, you know, a nice play to brand and market 

Tanner Campbell: and build relationships. So technically, no.

Yeah. What about you, Pedro? Have you ever had a non-corporate podcast, a non-business related podcast? Well, then maybe I’m the odd man out here, but I know that as creative creatives and creatives who are creating for the art of it, or the love of it, that like the idea of putting ads in anything was never attractive to anybody.

We [00:16:00] always were like, no, we don’t want to add some this well, how are you going to make money? Well, I guess I got to put ads in it, but I really don’t want to. And it was a, it’s always been uncomfortable for, for many of us to do that. So, you know, Apple podcasts is giving us this gift really. Right. For people who don’t want to go into the deep end with the marketing and the, and the sponsorships and the ad insertions and all these things.

Like I see nothing but upside from this big Apple announcement monetization within Apple podcasts. I mean, how do you feel about it? Rum? Are you psyched about this? Do you think it doesn’t make a big, doesn’t make a big difference? No big deal. It’s just another place to make some money. It’s still going to be just as hard or is it a big deal?

I mean, 

Roman Prokopchuk: it’s, it’s big in the sense that people have been waiting for something for a while. I’ll kind of see it I’ll believe it when I see it, I guess that’s, that’s the saying in the U S or these parts. I know we’ve talked about like little glitches and people trying to enable subscriptions and their feeds disappearing and stuff this [00:17:00] week.

So until they work out the glitches, like with everything that releases version one, it’s usually clunky and they have to work out some of the, uh, The kinks we’ll see what potential 

Tanner Campbell: it actually has. Yeah. We’re one of those podcasts. In fact, uh, I logged into podcast connect and it was like, Hey, are you a person?

Or are you a business? And I thought, well, I’m a business. This is plosive monster media. This is, this is your boys, Rowan, Pedro, and Tanner. You don’t know who we are. So we clicked a little radio button. We click next and we’re, we’re just in a holding pattern. We can’t get to our podcasts. We don’t know if what we’re recording right now is going to make it to be released on Monday.

So if you’re hearing it, things worked out well, if you’re not hearing it, you’ll find out when it finally comes out. Why you didn’t hear it on Monday, but yet a lot of bugs and. Not surprising. Apple has never been shy about pushing things out. And I think knowing maybe to their credit, that there are some problems you cannot fix or know about [00:18:00] until it’s in live production and that’s how you find them.

And you just scramble to fix them as fast as you can. And you try to minimize the likelihood that they’re disastrous. Although I would say that this issue is kind of disastrous since a lot of podcasters feeds have been vanishing. Uh, and that’s pretty stressful. I think to S to say the least a friend of the show Quinn has had a few of her clients shows disappear.

We’ve got a lot of people on clubhouse who this morning, we’re like where the F in heck it’s my podcast. I can’t find it. And, uh, it’s, it’s a nightmare for a few people. So. Very cool stuff. That Apple pie guests is doing very nervous time for people who jumped to take advantage of it, which we were, I think we might’ve been like fifth in line or something where like, give it, give it, we want it.

We have to test it. Cause people are going to ask us about it. And now we test it. What you get to hear from our testing is that don’t do it yet. Just hold on a minute, give it a week as you would with [00:19:00] any new product. Uh, but you know, we, we test hard so you don’t have to. Pedro, what’s been your experience with, uh, people that, you know, in the podcasting space who’ve, who’ve tried to go through it.

Some people have gone through it with nobody. Yeah. Some people 

Pedro Maciel: have the, the, a couple of people that I’ve spoken with, um, said that they didn’t have any hiccups. It was, you know, very, very seamless. They did the update, they put personal or business, uh, when they did it. And. They had their feed me on the other hand, speaking from experience, uh, with the X-Factor safety, my other podcast from this, uh, yeah, it’s still saying, uh, we’ll wait, hurry up and wait.

Uh, we’ll get back to you when we can, so. Uh, hopefully my feet is not gone 

Tanner Campbell: well. Well, think of all those people that might be unsafe, they’ve got a real priority to make sure that that, uh, Pedro show is up and running blood on your hands, Apple, get it together.

[00:20:00] In other news in super awesome news. And we don’t have any listener questions cause we’re recording a day earlier than we normally do. But in, in place of that, we have some really positive just community love news that Pedro’s going to share. And that we’re all very proud of. So go ahead, Pedro. 

Pedro Maciel: We did this awesome thing in our room this past Monday, which was very, very cool.

We, you know, we stood it up very quickly. We put it out there and had a lot of engagement. We had a fundraiser for a great cause and we had a great turnout. Um, you know, we, we gathered some money up through our community, uh, and the [00:21:00] donations that were made for years, user, it’s, uh, accessibility for.

Websites webpages. And a few of our community members actually needed accessibility on some of the websites we’ve come across our website on our website. We know we’ve come across them in inside these rooms over on clubhouse. And I think it was, uh, it was a great cause. And like I said, a great, great event that got put on Monday, you know, for the time that we had it from six 30 in the morning, till about nine, uh, we ended up raising a lot of money.

Yeah. It was, it was great. The people that we raised the money for actually came in, in Tanner’s room. And so it was an all day event, uh, with the real talk podcasting crew and community. And it was just, it was just all around. Great. So I thought we would highlight that and let everybody know 

Tanner Campbell: how great it was.

[00:22:00] Yeah. So we have raised 1400 cool even dollars for user, It’s a for-profit business. It’s not a non-profit, but they are set up to accept donations and they make a little widget. You can install on your website. WordPress or otherwise very, very easily. And it adds some accessibility options to your site.

They have a free version of it and they have a $50 a month version of it. And when they receive donations, what they do is they work with small businesses, mom and pop type shops that can’t afford to go through the very expensive process of hiring a consultant and making their online businesses accessible.

You can think. Can imagine during COVID, there were a lot of lawsuits for businesses that moved their businesses online, and really didn’t think about accessibility at all, because they were in a panic to get their businesses online. Uh, and so this little widget, doesn’t a hundred percent solve the problem of accessibility because it’s a widget.

Right. But, but it does [00:23:00] so much, it gives you a screen reader, high contrast options. It gives you dyslexia friendly fonts. It gives you. Line height, spacing, and character spacing. It gives you a line highlighter so that if you’re somebody who gets lost in the words, you can dim out everything, except the line you’re reading.

It does all these things that if you were going to try to do this on your website yourself, to make your website more accessible, that you would not be it. You just wouldn’t be able to do it because you’re not a coder. You’re not a developer. And importantly, you don’t have the money to hire those things.

Probably. And most of the websites out there on the web are not businesses. They’re individuals, websites, and individuals certainly don’t have the money to do that. So user makes it very easy to make your site more accessible with just a little plugin. They have a free version and a paid version.

And like Pedro said, we’ve got a lot of people within our community on clubhouse who identify as being disabled in [00:24:00] some way. And that was, you know, I knew one blind podcaster before I got on clubhouse and we’ve met, I mean, when Otis curve ball, Curtis. We’ve I mean, off the top of my head and we’ve met more than that, whose names we just don’t remember.

Maybe they only popped in the room a few times, but we’ve met a number of people who are blind or otherwise disabled and talk all the time about how hard it is to navigate the web. And some of them have said it was hard to navigate our site. And so it was something we were sensitive to and wanting to make better.

And so when we found user rate, we were like, Oh, this is it. And we ran it by some of those new friends and they said, this is great. And we collected $1,400 guys in like a day. We have Pedro your room, kicked it off with like 600 bucks. Then another few hundred bucks in my afternoon room at three o’clock and then Roman’s room.

We have, we have big Mike energy Syd come in and just drop a $300 donation on us to get us over the Mark of what we wanted to do was a [00:25:00] thousand dollars. And then we wound up getting pushed a couple more, pretty big donations from individuals on clubhouse, through the tip jar. We went up to 1200 and we figured, Hey, I mean, we got to throw ours into, so we made it 1400 and we’re making that donation tomorrow.

So by the time you hear this episode, as long as Apple podcasts lets us publish it, you can go, go over to real talk, and see a little letter of. Donation from user way and read all about it and see some names of the very gracious people who donated and were part of this. And I think we’re gonna do this.

What, like maybe once a month, we’ll pick an organization that we feel is a good, a good organization to raise money for. We’ll try to make sure it’s aligned with podcasting in some way, or media creation, online creators in some way. And just continue to do some good, because if we’ve got thousands of people follow us on clubhouse and more than that across other social platforms, it’s a good way for everybody to spend a couple bucks a month and do some collective goods.

So thanks guys, without everybody who listens and without everybody who gave, you know, we [00:26:00] wouldn’t be able to do something like that. It’s really. Uh, it was emotional for me. I think it was for all of us, even though Roman doesn’t have emotions that he displays publicly. I know at night after that day, he went home and he cried on a heart shaped pillow.

He’s doing, he’s doing sag clown face right now, a weekend. Uh, and it, it was touching. It was, it was really cool. And, you know, Roman himself as a. As a foster parent, over 25 kids now he’s fostered. And maybe that’ll be one of the things that we focus on one of these months. So we’ll get Roman to cry. Don’t you worry, guys, we’re going to get them to cry on tape.

You’ll hear it. We’ll have an Eastern European crying. We’ll prove it to the world, I guess like a weeping lion. So listen to the takeaway from that. Isn’t just that you all are awesome. Uh, it’s not just a highlight of how powerful the clubhouse communities that you can build can be. It’s also a suggestion that if this is the first time you’re hearing about user way, that you should go to user [00:27:00]

And you know, if you want to make a donation, please do, but also just go there and grab the plugin and stick it on your site, because it will take you the whole of three minutes. If it takes that long. Uh, if you’re not web savvy, maybe it take you five, 10 minutes to figure out, but it’s no code. You just copy paste or you install a plugin.

If you’re running WordPress, it just makes your site a little bit more accessible. Again, it doesn’t solve every issue. It’s not perfect. It’s not the same as like having somebody come in there and hand code it for accessibility from the ground up. But it’s better than not doing anything at all. And we would encourage you to go check it

[00:28:00] look at that end of the show. And Roman inadvertently dropped from So this sounds like a perfect time to wrap up Pedro. We don’t like letting him say goodbye anyway, before we go. We want to kind of highlight these clubhouse rooms. We feel really good about what we were able to accomplish for user with that community.

And so we know that we referenced our clubhouse forums here a lot, and many of you will have come from there to here. It’s probably how you first came to know of the three of us. That’s how we first came to know of each other. Uh, so if you’re not a clubhouse user, you can find us by going to clubhouse, go to the clubhouse app and looking for real talk podcasting.

It’s a club that you can join and follow. And we host rooms every weekday, Monday through Friday Eastern standard time, 6:30 AM to about nine, nine 30. If it runs long. And we do another one at 3:00 PM to 4:00 PM, which is like open office hours. That’s with me. The morning show is usually with Pedro and Amanda and [00:29:00] Carrie and Roman.

And I’ll jump in a little bit later on in the, in the morning, but that’s a great group on Friday. Pedro does find a guest, be a guest. He calls it pod tank. So it’s a really good place to get direct access to people who are looking to be guests. And who are looking for guests. So that’s a great one to jump in on.

If you could only make one, the Friday one is great pod tank, check that out. And then Roman hosts the podcast after dark. And that’s a 10:00 PM Eastern and ghost. You guys this late. Sometimes it’s 2:00 AM I drop out at like 12 or 1230? I can’t make it, but Roman is a beast and he stays up late. Cause he’s a bad-ass uh, even though he can’t stay connected to the internet for our whole episode.

Which one of those is your favorite? Pedro? 

Pedro Maciel: Mine, of course. The podcast morning jet. Just, just, just, just because I’m a morning guy. I liked to get up bright and early four o’clock 

Tanner Campbell: in the morning. Oh God, your kids must hate that. Yeah. Sometimes do you get up? And you’re like singing to them. Like my dad used to do.

Yeah. It’s the only [00:30:00] reason I ever want to have kids so I can make them miserable first thing in the morning. Oh yeah. 

Pedro Maciel: Yeah. I thought you were going to sleep in not today. Nope. 

Tanner Campbell: Well, anyway, go find us on clubhouse. We would love to have you there as part of our community. And you know, we’re on fireside to doing some cool things and we’re going to be here on Twitter spaces.

I know that you’re doing that, Pedro. How’s that been going? Maybe not so well, we’re not going to invest in that. What’s the idea. The Twitter space 

Pedro Maciel: haven’t really found the, uh, 

Tanner Campbell: Engagement. I don’t find us on Twitter, scratch that. I won’t edit it, but just ignore me. And then of course, maybe who knows Facebook’s a new audio thing.

So be on the lookout for real talk podcasting, if you would like to learn more about us, if you’d like to read some of our articles, if you want to learn about R T P a Palooza, which I think we’ve just decided we’re not going to say too much, but I think instead of RTP Palooza, this is going to be a real life expression of podcasts after dark.

We’re going to hold two back-to-back [00:31:00] events. Somewhere in the United States on land, sometime in the summer, somewhere central, where people can get to it easily. I have to travel an equal distance. If they’re going to show up and we’re going to get drunk, we’re going to have fun. We’re not going to do podcasts, raffles or microfoam, give giveaway.

We will do a microphone giveaway, who knows, but we’re not going to make it cheesy. We’re just going to get drunk together. And have fun and be cool people because that’s what we want to do with you guys. We want to have fun with you guys. We don’t, we don’t want to market to you when we all hang out. So it’s going to be real talk podcasting’s podcasts after dark, and we’ll do a 10 to 2:00 AM hangout.

We’ll get drunk two nights in a row. We’ll eat a waffle house. It’ll be a great time. It’s going to be Epic. So more details on that to come. Thanks for listening today. I’m saying, see you later, Pedro, my man, uh, the years Amigos and I would say it for Roman. Let’s try to do it. You want to try to do our best Roman botch in?

Yeah. Do bill back in. Yeah, we tried Roman. We tried.

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