Spotify’s Car Thing, Rode’s Even Firmer Ware, and RTP-a-Palooza
Clever episode summary
Pedro demands that we listen to his latest news about his beloved RODECaster Pro; a very cool update indeed.
Roman has someTHING to tell you. It’s the latest and greatest innovation in the world of unnecessary automotive accessories… or maybe not.
A completely unsanctioned, probably unfair use of clearly copyrighted Disney material. But it was done out of love. Please don’t sue us, Walt, all we have is this podcast.
Rock the [RTP-a-palooza] vote. Will it be by land or sea? You literally decide for us!
“I’m going back. Without a mic.”— Roman Prokopchuk, remarking on his love of Amish country.
Reference Links from the Article
- RODECaster Pro 2.1.2 Beta is out [source]
- Spotify’s Thing is a new thing [source]
- RTP Academy is coming, baby! [source]
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[00:00:40] My name is Tanner and I’m joined by my co-hosts Pedro and Roman who are here. They’re here. Now I can see them. They’re back from their perspective. Vacation breaks. Pedro, how’s the family doing great. Good to be back Roman, how is the Amish country? Going back. You’ve had enough of electricity that a Mike.
[00:01:00] So Pedro how’d you spend the time, man? What’d you guys do some Easter stuff. Peeps?
[00:01:05] Pedro: Yeah. Peeps and chocolate
[00:01:07] Tanner: bunnies. Do they have peeps in Amish country? Probably not. Right. Uh, I mean they had
[00:01:13] Roman: a bunch of candy. I mean, I got back. Sunday morning. So I still like did dinner and stuff with my family, but
[00:01:19] Tanner: so friend of the show Quinn actually taught us all something.
[00:01:21] I don’t know if you knew this before Roman, but it was definitely news to me. I think it was news to Pedro that within the Amish community, there’s like a technical tester group of Amish people who will. Test out a piece of quote unquote technology and determine whether or not the Amish community can adopt it safely, like, and still be within the, within the rights of their faith or whatever, whatever their, their lifestyle is.
[00:01:44] And so, for example, an example of that was. The bicycle, some members of this, I guess technical team of Amish people would test the bicycle. And it was ultimately decided that the bicycle was not a good adoption for the Amish community, because it enabled you to go too far, too quickly from your family.
[00:02:01] And I thought that was super interesting. Did you find that they were really family oriented Roman? I guess that’s an obvious, yes.
[00:02:07] Roman: Right. Um, I mean, I only saw them in their carriages and like, Hanging around in the field and, uh, yeah, they didn’t ride bikes. They ride rode these like a bike scooter hybrid.
[00:02:18] So it was a bike, but you just push it with your foot. Like, there’s just a little platform. So I guess they didn’t want to go fully automatic in terms of, you know, cruising. And I think Quinn mentioned that they need things to not take them far away from home.
[00:02:33] Tanner: So you gotta keep them close. All right. Well, since last week I had to kind of carry this thing on my own.
[00:02:38] I’m going to turn it over to you guys. And I’m going to put my feet up on the desk and just kind of chill and watch you all do the hard work and that’s coming up next.
[00:02:58] Pedro. You’ve got news from the world of road. Quite a lot of it, actually. Why don’t you go ahead and take it. Yeah.
[00:03:03] Pedro: So those that know the rules, Castro pro they just came out with a new beta firmware update, 2.1 point. To now with this update it, I thought it was really cool because you have some pretty cool functions that we end up utilizing and make it a little bit better for your production.
[00:03:24] One being a USB mini control. Now, now you can actually synchronize to your doll, meaning all the sliders that are on your road cast or pro can now control the sliders and inside your. Doll inside that mixture that you’re using. Uh, so I thought that was pretty cool. You know, you put your game up down or whatever you have and you use it as an, as a mini controller.
[00:03:47] Tanner: that was cool. Does that move in both directions? Can I manipulate sliders in the da and have her faders and the Don have the move on the board? No son of a gun. Yeah, that would be cool. That’s next road. We want version three of this thing.
[00:04:02] Pedro: Yes. Yes. And there’s some, some other things that are cool. You know, if you do live streaming, they add, um, integrated to where you can use your pad, uh, to switch capabilities.
[00:04:12] Different cameras works with OBS E cam, live to the ones that you would use for that type of production. Uh, you also have the new sound pads swear button. Somebody’s going to say a cuss word, like Holy, you know, then it a blip and bleeps it out. Yeah. It also, this update also had drivers for windows. So a little more stability with the audio performance, as well as new languages on the actual board itself to include Chinese, Spanish, German, Italian, French, Japanese, and Korean.
[00:04:49] So that’s definitely going to be a game changer. It’s still in beta. If you have troubles with it, write them down, send them over a ticket. So that way they can look into why it’s not working the way
[00:05:00] Tanner: it should be. And Pedro, for anybody who has a row castor pro, and doesn’t know how to update. Their firmware.
[00:05:07] It’s really easy. Can you walk them through it?
[00:05:09] Pedro: Yes. So you go to the road.com website. They’ll have the packet that you have to download. Uh, you download that packet. You then turn on your broadcaster pro. And you open your companion app. That’s on your laptop after you install that packet. And, uh, you go to your settings, update firmware, it’ll download it, everything.
[00:05:35] Uh, and then it’ll synchronize to the board. You turn your board off, turn your board on again. Bam. It’s done. They’re good to go. And
[00:05:43] Tanner: it’s true that if, if everybody already has the companion app, that they can just open the companion app and the companion app knows that there’s a firmware update, right.
[00:05:51] It’ll pull it automatically.
[00:05:53] Pedro: Correct. The companion app does, as long as it’s connected to your internet, it knows that it needs to update.
[00:06:00] Tanner: That’s awesome. I want to go back to something you said, because it got me really excited. I didn’t know that this was a thing, I guess I didn’t, I didn’t read the full press release.
[00:06:09] I guess we could call it of this new update. And I missed the part about being able to map the pad keys too. Things like OBS this makes it, this gives it a function kind of like a stream deck,
[00:06:18] Pedro: right? Yeah. So it, in essence, and only for the like camera settings and vision capabilities that it has, but yes, it gives it that feel like a stream deck.
[00:06:29] You have the buttons you want to switch to a different camera, you hit a hit, you know, one of the pads and. You switched cameras, just like you would with, uh, with the stream deck,
[00:06:37] Tanner: like seen switches, for example, it could just do that. Yes, that’s awesome. I know one of our friends, Danny to hack is going to be really happy about that as he updated his yet, I feel like you talked to him, Pedro.
[00:06:47] Pedro: Yes, he did, uh, update good old Danny did update and he was hitting us left and right the other day with, uh, with the swear button. So, okay. He’s having fun with his new girl caster,
[00:06:58] Tanner: so we know it works.
[00:07:08] And we’re back in it is Roman’s turn Robin, what do you got for us?
[00:07:12] Roman: Yeah. So there’s a report of this device, that Spotify car, a calling a car thing, which is a very unique name, obviously not. It would allow pod-casters to interact with listeners. So it’s basically a voice controlled. Uh, podcast and music device that they’ve been working on since 2019, you can basically put it, uh, to your cars dash or like attach it to the vent and it will be, uh, Bluetooth enabled to your phone.
[00:07:43] So basically. It enables, uh, pod-casters and listeners to basically interact. So, uh, listeners through the device can basically comment and pin things and response to, you know, the, the piece of audio that they’re listening to. Or in general and podcasters would be able to respond as well. And if they want block comments and blocks specific listeners, things of that nature, and it’s basically kind of going into the space of, obviously we’ve spoken before, you know, I mentioned it, I feel like Spotify is making all the right moves to overtake Apple podcasts and just be the prominent player in terms of creators, especially
[00:08:28] Tanner: podcasters.
[00:08:30] Who’s doing that. Spotify is getting better than who. Apple podcast. Who’s Apple podcasts. What’s that? I don’t know. I forgot about them. I’m beginning to forget about them too, but
[00:08:39] Roman: you know, when you start doing all the wrong things are not listening to a community. They’re going to go elsewhere and be enticed by, you know, enhancements and features on other platforms.
[00:08:49] So this car thing, like I said, it’s, they’ve been working on it for a while. It was initially like a, you know, R and D thing to capture information and do like a, like a test for Spotify to, you know, get insights. But it looks now like it’s going to be like actually released as a device or a product for more interaction.
[00:09:09] And then basically the article also ties into, um, live audio as well. Uh, Spotify, apparently this week is solidifying to acquire a locker room, which is, uh, basically enhanced live audio in terms of inexperience. So they’re really trying to, you know, be, I guess, on the cutting edge on multiple fronts. In that sense, I
[00:09:33] Tanner: locker room has been around for ages.
[00:09:35] I feel like that company is 10 years old, unless I’m confusing them with something else, but something that you talked about this, so this reminds me kind of like the Alexa car thing. Like, is it a device. That’s like that you’ll stick it to your dash. You talk to it. I
[00:09:47] Roman: mean, you don’t necessarily, I mean, you’re listening to whatever you’re listening through it.
[00:09:51] So, uh, different artists and creators, not only, uh, podcasts, and it will basically create. An interactive element where that creator can respond back and they’ll see those responses as well. Um, and it’s voice enabled. So like I said, you know, people aren’t going to be driving and, you know, pushing this little thing on your vent or attached to your, you know, dash.
[00:10:15] So it will be kind of fully voice controlled as
[00:10:18] Tanner: well. It looks like an aftermarket like television screen that you would replace your factory radio player with radio player. What age am I from? But that’s what it looks like. It’s. Something between a Zune and a GPS.
[00:10:32] Roman: Yeah. It’s kind of awkward. Like I said, they’ve been working on it for, you know, two years at this point.
[00:10:38] So I don’t know what direction they’re eventually going to go with it or scrap it, but it looks like they were going one direction in terms of just capturing data and insights to now. Conceptualizing this to be a interactive experience in terms of, you know, commuters and people in the car that, you know, listen and utilize Spotify.
[00:11:00] I don’t know. Maybe they delayed it because of. You know, the pandemic and people driving, not as much and communing, not as much. I mean, that’s just speculation, but I feel like, you know, I guess this car thing, maybe they’ll come up with a better name and customize it and enhance it in time for people when they’re starting to go back to the office or, you know, not working at home
[00:11:24] Tanner: so much.
[00:11:24] I’ll tell you what, I don’t like the idea of putting it on the vents. I mean, I don’t know how many of you out there have. Clips that hold the, hold the phone with a magnet on the van and the vent just slides down and stuff falls on the floor. That’s not a great experience, but it seems like there’s an alternative, maybe like a more permanent type connection as well.
[00:11:42] I’m not really, the diagrams are not exactly clear, but this thing seems pretty thin. It looks like it would be pretty lightweight. It would have to be if it went on your van anyway. Um, but pretty cool. When you talked about the commenting that reminds me of SoundCloud. So like on SoundCloud, you can drop a comment at a certain way point and you can, you can see, I see it.
[00:12:00] So you’re saying that as I’m listening to a podcast, I could say Spotify, leave a comment. What would you like to say? This is the coolest podcast I’ve ever listened to in Roman’s talking about dope shit. And then it shows up. Yeah.
[00:12:10] Roman: And then I would be notified somehow, obviously, maybe through the Spotify for podcasts there’s dashboard or, you know, whatever email that’s associated with.
[00:12:20] And then I would be able to respond real
[00:12:22] Tanner: time to that. So Roman, from a digital marketing standpoint, like, do you see any possible new plays coming through this way of interacting? I mean, I think it’s pretty cool in concept. Anyway, maybe you’re going to be able to talk to your adverts.
[00:12:35] Roman: I mean, I guess like, you know, newer cars have of app enabled so you can stream or listen directly from like Spotify currently.
[00:12:45] So it’s not like one of those experiences that’s necessarily unique from a listener standpoint, obviously like this devices. Bluetooth enabled, but the whole communication aspect and learning about audiences, I think, is the digital play. So, you know, you can possibly, if you have communities elsewhere, you can say, Hey, go listen on Spotify and tell us what you think real time.
[00:13:08] And we’ll be sure to get back to you or have a dialogue or conversation. So, I mean, you can engage audiences that way and really personalize, you know, your messaging and really get to know each listener. Per se individually, which obviously no other platform really offers in that sense. So that would be the other appeal to make your, uh, you know, Spotify account as a pod-casters as a podcast or your primary.
[00:13:34] Destination point to drive listeners to in that sense, because they can interact and engage with you. And maybe that way, Spotify also engages in the tracks more podcasters to, you know, be creators and whatever else they’re working on in terms of paid subscriptions, because this will also be a paid subscription enabled too.
[00:13:54] So you can listen to the podcast or the content that you subscribe to through this, uh, car thing, uh,
[00:14:00] Tanner: device. So I’m thinking about this in comparison to, you know, the Alexa for the vehicle thing. And I’m thinking about newer cars. Definitely have I feel like, and I don’t own one, so I might be wrong about this, but I feel like Alexa car or whatever they call it.
[00:14:17] Is for cars that don’t have that smart dash. So they’re for older cars. So I would think that this must be for a market of people who don’t have newer cars with fancier in dash displays and basically computers at this point. So should we expect you think to see like an app based version of this coming to newer mobile, newer mobile vehicles, what other kinds of vehicles are there?
[00:14:42] Newer vehicles that have those richer in dash displays? And if so, Does the article you read, say anything about maybe the Spotify app itself, beginning to support this? Like, could I listen to a podcast on Spotify eventually and just be able to say, you know, Spotify will probably name their personal assistant Becky or something.
[00:15:01] And do, do we have a male personal assistant yet? Does that exist? Steve. Hey, Spotify, Steve, leave a comment. Like I’d like, I would do that now.
[00:15:09] Roman: It’s like
[00:15:09] Tanner: scuba Steve too close. But so do you think they’ll do that? You think they’ll go the app way? I mean, it seems like this is almost like cart before the horse to come out with the hardware instead of making it the expense to them has gotta be more doing this right.
[00:15:21] Roman: Yeah. Um, but like I said, I think the primary notion was to capture that user behavior and give them more insights. And I think that would have been more valuable to them in terms of programming and how people actually engage through this device real time. Um, but I mean, they could wildly roll it out. I mean, they’ve been making play after play, after play in terms of enhancing their experience and offering things in terms of obviously paid subscription rollouts for podcasts.
[00:15:50] I know Joe Rogan has that a video component, which I’ve heard. I haven’t really utilized it or watched it on Spotify, but that’s supposed to be a roll out at some point for. Other podcasts there’s if they move out that transition and create it to be a better experience, then having your video or version a video of your podcast on YouTube.
[00:16:12] So they may take things away from YouTube at some point, just like Joe Rogan moved his video catalog over as well. So, I mean, I don’t. I don’t put it past them to have a wide release to, you know, other con consumption methods.
[00:16:43] Tanner: the second half of the show. Tanner got a little bit lazy this week and did not collect questions from listeners my bad. Y’all sorry about that. We’re also recording a day earlier, so I just wasn’t prepared. I wasn’t ready. I didn’t do a good job this week, but we do have two things that we want to talk to you about.
[00:16:57] And the first is a post COVID RTP shindig that we are in the very, very early stages of planning. And we’re trying to figure out whether or not people are interested in it. Whether or not it be something you all would show up for. We’re being a little hush about the details, because we don’t exactly know what form it’s going to take yet.
[00:17:13] But Pedro, who came up with this idea, I feel like this was your idea. And I think it’s a great one. I would just really like to meet some of the people that we’ve made friends with on clubhouse and fireside and all these other places. And. It’d be
[00:17:24] Pedro: pretty fun. Yeah, no, it’s definitely one of the, one of the things that has been on my mind after, you know, the, the inception of RTP and us as, as a podcast in unit, and then, you know, the forming of plosive monster media.
[00:17:39] Uh, through all of us, I think it would just be cool to have a shindig, something along the lines, uh, to where we all get together. Like you said, post COVID to be able to connect and network in real time, face to face with all the people that we have connected with over, over the past, you know, eight. Nine weeks on, on clubhouse and other platforms.
[00:18:00] So it’ll definitely be interesting once we do iron out the details.
[00:18:05] Tanner: Well, that’s the therein lies the rub, right? The details where we’re trying to debate between, do we do this by land too? We do this by sea. Do we need Paul Revere to do something? Is that a thing that Paul Revere did? One if by land two, if
[00:18:16] Pedro: I see one, if by land
[00:18:18] Tanner: by sea, do we need to do something like that?
[00:18:20] I kind of want to put a call out in the same way that we did voting and like the second episode. If you guys would like to see the RTP shindig in, I hope 20, 21. That’s what we would hope for. If you’d like to see it be ocean-based go to rtp.link forward slash ocean. You don’t have to do anything else.
[00:18:37] Just go to that link and we’ll know that you visited it and that’ll count as a vote. You don’t have to do anything else once you get there. And if you think it should be land-based, then go to rtp.link forward slash land again, off to do anything just to revisit the link. That’s it. We’re tracking. We know what you’re doing and it’ll count as a vote.
[00:18:55] Roman, what would you prefer? You want to get your chill on in the ocean and you want to do it inland. You’re a water guy in the air, in the air.
[00:19:05] Roman: Just refueled
[00:19:06] Tanner: nonstop. Yeah. You’ve seen those sequences and movies. That’s pretty cool. Yeah. We can have two, like a sole point there. I mean, we couldn’t we’d have to call it someone else, I think, but we could do something like that.
[00:19:15] Be cool. No, that’s not an option. You guys, we can’t do it by air land or sea. Visit the links and let us know Roman, if we did something by land, what was you hope we did? Like at the hangout? What do we have to do? I say kegger has to be part of it. We’ve all got some Brewskies and just kind of hang. What about you, man?
[00:19:31] Roman: mean, depends where it is. I mean, there could be some like cool activities. I mean, there’s a lot of all-inclusive places that are hurting in the Caribbean, you know, in Florida, Mexico. With a lot of activities, you know, I mean, obviously some of it would be like, you know, making those connections and taking them offline, doing obviously some educational stuff and bouncing ideas off each other, possibly developing business relationships out of that.
[00:19:56] But then doing things like bonding stuff, like, you know, zip lining, I’m gonna go for number three in terms of swimming with sharks, whoever’s down is down. I actually hate Heights, but I’ve been skydiving and zip-lining all this other nonsense. So I believe in somewhat conquering your fears, but like, I mean, there’s a lot of interesting stuff and I feel like being crammed and stuck to mainly one location for most people kind of getting out of that and actually doing activities outside in one night, I think is a, I guess, bond building and I guess builds this whole movement even, even further.
[00:20:32] Tanner: What about you, Pedro, if we did something by land or sea, what, what would you want to do? Uh, is
[00:20:38] Pedro: there going to be streaking involved?
[00:20:40] Tanner: Depends on how successful the kegger is, I guess.
[00:20:42] Pedro: Exactly. Exactly. No. Uh, you know, again, networking, uh, Events in kind of like small little breakout round table discussions.
[00:20:52] Uh, you know, we can have some specialized type discussions with the different genres, uh, of, of podcasting and stuff that everybody dabbles in that we’ve talked to. Um, you know, the, the subject matter expert have, you know, I don’t want to say keynote speakers, but have some speakers that are gonna, you know, talk about some of those things and, and collaborate, uh, with something to that, of that nature.
[00:21:15] And then just having fun, just really connecting and, you know, getting out of that lockdown mindset and, you know, kind of letting loose a little bit. Um, there will be some adult beverages, lot of adult beverages involved.
[00:21:28] Tanner: Remember Pedro’s from the Navy. So there’ll be plenty of adult beverages involved.
[00:21:31] Yes. And he’ll vote for by C by C.
[00:21:34] Roman: Yeah, Pedro’s going to commandeer a submarine. We’re going to go under the sea.
[00:21:40] Tanner: Listen to me. Do you want world under the sea is better than you need to take a got up there. So we’re joking around a little bit here, but we are serious. We really want to do this. We are going to do it.
[00:21:53] It’s an absolute for sure happening thing, but we’re still trying to solidify it so you can really help us to make a step forward to make a decision. Is it land-based? Is it. You know, on a boat, are we going, are we going on a boat? Isn’t it like a Disney cruise or something? No, man. Disney cruise. What? Yeah, that’d be cool, right?
[00:22:12] Oh, aren’t RTP. Uh, but yeah, so rtp.link forward slash land RTP that link forward slash. Potion and we’ll look at the votes and we’ll make our decision based on that. So definitely go visit those links and let us know because it’s going to help us take the next step, no promises, but we’re definitely hoping before the end of this year, we can make something happen maybe in the fall.
[00:22:33] That’s that is our unfair shore goal right now. So help us make a choice,
[00:22:53] just ended the show. And then the guys reminded me that there was something else I wanted to bring up that we all wanted to bring up. And that is that we are working on the RTP Academy. We do a lot of talking and clubhouse a lot of the time around the same kinds of things. Right? Like how do you monetize?
[00:23:07] How do you grow? How do you do good SEO for your show? How do you set up your road cast? Or what kind of gear do you need? How do you get started? All these questions are questions that we’re answering every day on clubhouse, and we’re happy to do that. That’s why we’re there. We love doing it. But we’ve decided we’re going to formalize some of that stuff into courses that we can actually make available on our website.
[00:23:26] Learn dot real talk, podcasting.com. Now, if you go there right now, you’ll see a way to log in, but you can’t log in yet because we haven’t launched anything. So keep your eyes and ears and Twitter feeds and such open for more news about that. It will be coming soon. Thanks you guys for reminding me to talk about that.
[00:23:42] Pedro is going to be teaching something on how to set up your gear for livestream. Roman’s going to be teaching an SEO one Oh one course and maybe even a one Oh two course, maybe even a six Oh five course. Cause this dude knows a lot and I’m going to be teaching on of course monetization, which is really my strength in engineering and editing.
[00:23:58] So watch for those things before too soon, I’m in the middle of relocating to Colorado as some of you know, so it’s not going to be like next week or anything, but it’s coming and we think you’re all going to really love it. Roman is super pumped to be teaching SEO because he cries every time he sees a poorly done website and now he’s going to be able to change the world in a way that matters
[00:24:17] Roman: to him.
[00:24:18] Something like that. I don’t know if it’s that serious. I may, you know, have an internal tear go down. But, um, yeah, there’s a lot of people in terms of misunderstanding about SEO, especially on clubhouse, you know, so-and-so, you know, I’m doing all this stuff on Pinterest and SEO and everything. What are you talking about right now?
[00:24:37] Um, and other, just random statements like that, you know, I’m, I’m doing so, you know, I’m at, SEOing my guest guests interviews. No, you’re not. It’s benefiting your SEO in terms of offsite, but, so, yeah, there’s a lot of misconceptions, a lot of things that people only focus on. You know, content, but not link-building.
[00:24:56] And in terms of, you know, the technical build of the site one versus the other, not all, most people don’t necessarily know there’s two to 300 ranking factors that go into, you know, where your, your position in search engines. So yeah, maybe, uh, kind of squashing, some myths and, you know, teaching a few people to be on the first page for whatever they’re
[00:25:15] Tanner: doing.
[00:25:16] And Pedro, I just love seeing a well set up live stream. So that’s what he’s going to be teaching.
[00:25:20] Pedro: Oh yeah. In an imperfect space in an imperfect space, green screens, cameras, tripods, everything you
[00:25:27] Tanner: guys can’t read right now. But Pedro mentioned previously that he had though the web around green screen, I think it was like an episode five.
[00:25:35] And you have it right now and it looks pretty cool. It’s like you’re sitting on an alien throne of some kind, this big thing behind you. Like you’re peacocking. That’s kind of what it looks like, but it seems like it’d be super effective. It is in the hotel room. I’ll tell you that. That’s all we’ve got for you today.
[00:25:48] So remember, help us make a decision about the RTP Xing shindig. Go to rtp.link forward slash land or rtp.link forward slash ocean and help us make a decision about which one of these we should be. Exploring more seriously as we move forward to making that a reality. Thanks so much for listening this week and we’ll see you next time later, guys.
[00:26:09] Roman: Yes until next time.
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