page title icon Episode 005: Amazon Audio Ads, Subscribe vs Follow, and Twitter Spaces Going Public

Amazon Audio Ads, Subscribe becomes Follow, & Twitter Spaces is Going Live

Roman Tarzan-swings into the Amazon on a vine made of ads, Tanner insists Apple’s new “follow” feature doesn’t really matter, and Pedro lets us into his personal space (and his kitchen, during dinner time).


  1. [00:05:29] Apple changes “Subscribe” to “Follow” and Tanner thinks it’s pretty much a non-issue.
  2. [00:17:13] A listener asks, “Where do I get music for my podcast, and how can I trust the source is legit?”.
  3. [00:26:20] A listener asks, “What do you do when a guest says something you strongly disagree with?”

Cool News About Podcast Things

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Reference Links

Amazon Targets a Bigger Share of the Audio Ad Market (source)

Apple Podcasts Changes “Subscribe” to “Follow” (source) (followup from Tanner)

Twitter Spaces Full Rollout (source

The Webaround Greenscreen (link)

Thanks To Our Question Askers

Katherine Pacheco, host of Chakras & Cusswords

Dr. Kelly Bushéy, host of Bringing Intimacy Back

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Tanner Campbell: Hey there. Welcome back to real talk podcasting. I am your cohost Tanner. I’m joined by Roman and Pedro Roman. What’s up, dude. Hey, how are you guys? What’s going on? Everybody do a little house cleaning up here at the front, get some new reviews. Actually these aren’t new reviews. I just felt so badly that we have not been including our Canadian and New Zealand brethren who have been.

[00:00:23] Reviewing us unbeknownst to us. But in our last episode, I’ve mentioned my podcast reviews. And if you go back and you check the description of that podcast, Daniel J. Lewis was nice enough to give us a discount code. So if you use code RTP or use that link, then you’ll get three weeks free of the service to test it out.

[00:00:40] It’s actually really, really cool. So go do that. Check the previous episode, show notes, hit that link and go give it a whirl. You’ll like it. I promise. So shout outs to thinking big coaching from the U S from ran MCK from Canada and to heck.com. Our boy to heck are from New Zealand. Everybody left five-star reviews.

[00:00:59] Thinking big coaching said, there are a few people who know more about quality recording equipment, the process and marketing of a podcast, and even fewer willing to teach it, subscribe to RTP. Ran MCK says, Hey guys, wow, all this information is wicked. Where were you guys? When I started my podcast, your information is golden.

[00:01:17] Great sound quality of your show. I listen while I work learn, and I become a better podcast or, and a heck says, I met these guys in clubhouse. That’s where we met each other. So why not? And I spent a lot of time chatting with them. Lots of fun, definitely one of those podcasts to subscribe to. So thanks to all of you.

[00:01:32] We really appreciate it. And if you’d like to leave us a review, feel free. We’d love to read them on the show and know that we’re doing a good job and everybody appreciates it. Gonna start off with Roman Roman, you got news from Amazon, from the world of Amazon. Tell us all about 

[00:01:43] it. 

[00:01:44] Roman Prokopchuk: Amazon’s targeting a bigger share of the audio ad market. No a few months ago they acquired, Wondery and they opened dump kind of their platform in terms of including podcasts. Last September, they threw on about a hundred thousand shows onto audible in October.

[00:02:02] And they’re just trying to, you know, create a more immersive end to end experience for advertisers. They already kind of have video unlock in terms of advertising. So they’re adding another component and this opens up, obviously them to, you know, Be in the space and have a market share with kind of these moves and acquisitions.

[00:02:21] I see them and I’m making moves in the space. Obviously Amazon has the funds to acquire or make any strategic move in my opinion, more so even I think, than Spotify and obviously Apple podcasts in terms of kind of market share of listenership. But you know, we’re talking about advertising. So mainly going head to head with Spotify in terms of kind of listener share.

[00:02:44] I mean, I foresee them possibly, you know, taking a big bite of it in the near future. They’ve made kind of a self submitting your show or aiming it on Amazon really easy. I believe a few months ago, I think it was like three or four months ago. I submitted my. Other podcasts too, it, it took probably a week to get approved and all, you really have to submit as a handful of things.

[00:03:07] So it takes like five minutes and then it makes you accessible on Alexa, which is awesome in terms of, you know, smart homes and dominating that space. So, you know, they have that platform as well in terms of audio. So it opens up. Podcast listenership to kind of the smart home. Obviously Google can dominate or be a player in that space as well with their smart home technology, but I haven’t seen them making any moves in that 

[00:03:32] Tanner Campbell: space.

[00:03:33] At all. I imagine it must be a lot of ways Amazon could go with this. You’re talking about them being able to go in even more directions and Spotify. I mean, yeah, they’ve got more at their disposal. They’re not just an audio platform. There are way more than that. You think of any creative ways they might be thinking about leverage?

[00:03:48] Roman Prokopchuk: Well, I mean, in terms of advertisers tying in like traditional things that people are doing or advertisers are doing with video, because they are. Dominant with video in terms of Amazon fire TV, and you know, other platforms that they have. And they’ve started investing in the last few years heavily in original content for video.

[00:04:09] So I think tying that experience end to end where an advertiser can start in terms of video, and if they want to tie in audio to carry that experience and be accessible on the platform. As well as, like I mentioned, like the ease of having the ability to be in every home with a, you know, Amazon smart speaker is definitely 

[00:04:31] Tanner Campbell: advantageous as well.

[00:04:32] Can you imagine we’re watching the CQL to coming to America? That’s right guys, they made a SQL coming to America is probably going to be terrible, but can you imagine you’re watching that Amazon prime release and it says, hold on, we got to go for a break and it’s the real talk podcasting podcast is right there in the 15 second ad spot.

[00:04:49] Are they going to do that? Because that’s what I want. That’s the reality I want to live in. Yeah. And we’ll have a Eddie Murphy in studio. Do you, do you remember when Eddie Murphy used to do like the Rigo Dodge, Dodge, LAN commercials? He’d be like, Oh, I made him. Or if he didn’t come on down to a Rigo Dodge, Dodge lane and get a Dodge

[00:05:04] Apple podcasting news. That’s right. Apple podcasts. They’re in the news. They’re doing something they’re innovating within the podcasting space after. Looks at watch. How long since innovating or creating podcasts in the first place. Now they’re actually deciding they’re going to make some changes. And that change is going to come in.

[00:05:21] The form of your subscribe button is no longer going to be a subscribe button. Folks. It’s going to be follow button. You know why? Because they don’t. I want you to think that you have to pay for something when you hit the subscribe button, which as far as I know, nobody thinks I’ve never heard anybody say I would subscribe to your podcast, but I’m afraid Apple’s going to charge me.

[00:05:37] But now instead of subscribe, they’re going to say follow. I don’t know the difference between following and subscribe. I think the end result is the same. Pedro, you heard anything about this? You want to add some color to my story here, because this feels like news. That really isn’t altogether that important.

[00:05:50] No, it’s, 

[00:05:51]Pedro Maciel: I think they’re switching it because you want to grow a following. You want to have a community base around your podcast, and I think they’re moving away from subscribed because it sounds too salesy. That’s my opinion on it. 

[00:06:07] Tanner Campbell: Well, I guess I better unsubscribe to all the magazines I subscribed to and instead they’re follow them.

[00:06:12] Roman, what about you? What do you think about this change, man? I 

[00:06:14] Roman Prokopchuk: mean, it’s just verbiage to me, you know what I mean? Like they haven’t made any significant backend interface changes or usability changes front end or anything that necessarily benefits pod-casters on their space. I mean, they’re kind of like, you know, we dominate the market deal with it.

[00:06:33] Tanner Campbell: So I, I see it as a. Several years ago, Google analytics, 

[00:06:37]Roman Prokopchuk: Changed verbiage from visitors to sessions. And it was one of those things. It’s just like, okay, now it’s known in the sessions. It’s the same exact 

[00:06:46] Tanner Campbell: thing. That thing that I don’t think is particularly interesting or useful and is causing way too much discussion in the podcast.

[00:06:52] Oh, blogosphere, whatever we’re calling it these days, this thing I actually think is pretty interesting and pretty useful to podcast creators and listeners and that’s chapters. Something. I just found out about from our friend, Greg over at poolchasers.com the pool chasers podcast. So right now you can in your metadata actually Mark out chapters.

[00:07:13] And so we’re going to experiment with that in this episode. If you are listening to us on Apple podcast, you’re going to be able to go into the particular episode. Scroll down to the bottom as if you were going to look at the notes in the it’s a little weird to get to, you can hit play on an episode, and then it plays right at the bottom of the app.

[00:07:29] You know, you get the play button and the skip ahead in the pause. But if you tap on that, it’ll bring that up and you can look at all the show notes and the links. And if you go down to the bottom, you should be able to look at chapters. So in this episode, I’m actually going to put chapter data in the podcast and hopefully it’ll help our listeners to navigate to certain points within the podcast more easily.

[00:07:47] I think at least it makes the content more accessible from the standpoint of finding what you want or good jumping, right to what you like. Now they do this in audio books, of course, chapters, and I’m really keen to see how many people actually use it in the podcast. Whether or not. There’s a way for me to tell whether anybody uses it.

[00:08:04] I don’t know, hopefully Apple podcasts data or analytics, which is still in beta might tell me something about how many people are actually clicking on chapters to navigate the episode. But who knows either way, I’m going to have a lot of fun editing and setting up this week’s guest episode.

[00:08:29] Pedro, you got some exciting news from Twitter in Twitter, 

[00:08:34] Pedro Maciel: planning to roll out Twitter spaces to everybody in April. The company has started testing, you know, ride alongside when clubhouse started you know, again, clubhouse, that’s how we all met. That’s how we, you know, flourish, this thing coming out.

[00:08:47] But now they’re getting ready to be ahead of the game of clubhouse and they’re actually going roll it in April to everybody. So right now only a select few have been able to have been able to actually use and host a rooms in the spaces, but come April, everybody will be able to host the spaces. So, it’s going to be good.

[00:09:06] The audio social social platform is good. Just like clubhouse but what they’re actually working on and what interested me about this information and Intel that we want to give to everybody, they’re actually working on a tip jar for content creators. This tip jar is going to allow you to use your band camp cash app, Patriot on PayPal, Venmo, everything and add it directly.

[00:09:29] So that way you can actually get. Tipped as a creator. So again, doing what we do, host spaces, having that content, you can now get paid for that right. Directly from the app. And so what they’re also trying to do is differentiate themselves from the other audio spaces. Being that again, it’s audio only. And then you’re able to use that audio record.

[00:09:53] And again, there’s going to be some guidelines that go along with that, but you’ll be able to then download that audio that you have in those spaces, as well as being able to use the transcriptions to reutilize and market those spaces and that content that you’re putting out there. So. It’s definitely something that will be good for us on on this audio platform, 

[00:10:16] Tanner Campbell: Pedro, you actually had a chance to play around with Twitter spaces.

[00:10:19] Is it cool? I know it’s come up maybe once in a previous episode, but we haven’t really talked about it. If you got to test drive any of these features yet, or are you one of the select few who’ve been able to interact on spaces? I have, 

[00:10:30] Pedro Maciel: I actually got invited by our friend Mohit shout out Mohit.

[00:10:34] For the Twitter spaces to be able to host the room. So I have hosted a couple of rooms and again, it’s just like clubhouse. You’re allowed 10 speakers onstage. They allow the 10 speakers to be on stage to minimize how many people you have on stage. I think they took a look at what people are doing over in clubhouse.

[00:10:51] It’s pretty cool. You keep a low a stage. You get a bunch of like, I was in a room. Not hosting, but actually part of a room, which had, you know, probably a thousand people in there. But again, you only had 10 speakers up on stage 

[00:11:03] Tanner Campbell: when compared to clubhouse and fireside, because Pedro you’ve been on fireside for a week now.

[00:11:08] I’ve been on fireside as well, but you have been there more than I have. I’ve only had the opportunity to jump in a few times. How does Twitter spaces fit into this? Have you started to notice since you’re the only one who’s touched all three of these. Is there something distinct about each of these, can each of these survive separately?

[00:11:25] Are they serving different purposes or is there just going to be one winner? 

[00:11:28]Pedro Maciel: I think it all depends on what is put behind these platforms clubhouse again, building a community and having that community to, again, it’s still beta. All of these are still beta, but being able to build that community on clubhouse then transition over to Twitter spaces have only having 10, 10 people on stage, which makes it a lot easier than clubhouse.

[00:11:52] Sometimes I know some of those rooms are very clunky when you have, you know, a hundred people on stage and everybody has moderator badges. You know, and then over on fireside chat only select few have be able to create certain rooms. So depending on the type of content that you are utilizing, or you’re putting out there into the stratosphere, podcasting in a whole.

[00:12:13] You will get granted access to become a creator on fireside chat which then the more you create, the more people that join in as just listeners soak that up. And then eventually there will be some type of tip jar or some type of monetization that goes along with it. So. Across the three, they all could possibly sustain by themselves, but I think they all are looking at each other and seeing which one is going to become the 

[00:12:40] Tanner Campbell: winner in the long run.

[00:12:41] Something I noticed about fireside in the little bit of time that I spent there. Two things actually. Number one, the reactions you get from the audience when you’re on stage is distracting. I know that some people are billing it as kind of a cute feature and maybe fun or funny, but I find it to be immensely distracting if you’re up on that stage and somebody just sends the poop emoji and makes a fart noise, like.

[00:13:06] That’s funny the first time it happens, but if somebody is just doing it repetitively, that’s not like that’s not conducive to having a good, a good conversation. I don’t really like that at all. Another thing that I realized after having a conversation with a woman who was an actress in the movie, charmed, whose name I am, whose name I’m now not remembering Roseman gallon.

[00:13:28] So Rose McGowan was on there and she was having a discussion and the discussion got a little, I mean, it went in all kinds of directions. She was definitely talking about things that I don’t think. We’ve heard her talk about it in public. I mean, I don’t really know who Rose McGowan is, but I know that she’s a celebrity.

[00:13:41] She was in charm. She’s an actress. I think there was some recent news with her in it that made the conversation with her, especially timely. But I’m, I really wasn’t cued into what that news was, but there is a reason she was on the platform. She was talking and throughout the conversation that followed after she left the conversation, I found out that every conversation that happens on fireside is recorded by default.

[00:14:03] Yes, that is correct. And I, it didn’t feel great that I found out about that only 40 minutes after having spoken and participating in various conversations, I felt like that was something I would want to know coming out of the gate. So I am really reserving my judgment for fireside for right now, because it hasn’t been around long enough.

[00:14:24] It hasn’t worked out the kinks Fallon. Is an incredibly intelligent individual who’s behind this and driving where this is going to go. And I’m sure she’s thought of all kinds of things that we don’t know she’s thought of. And there’s purpose behind all of this. And I’m sure there’s a great plan. I am working what magic I can to try to get Fallon on this show so that we can have a conversation with her about fireside.

[00:14:44] I don’t know how that will go, but I’m hopeful. And Pedro you and I actually have a zoom scheduled with some creators on the fireside platform later next week. And hopefully we’ll get a chance to get her attention and pull her in here and, and have a conversation with her that will benefit everybody.

[00:15:00] Who’s listening and interested. Some of what you said about Twitter spaces of being able to repurpose the audio. Cause it’s recorded. You can download it, you can use it somewhere else. How would you use that? Would you cut it into some other projects somewhere? Reutilize. 

[00:15:13] Pedro Maciel: I like to use, I don’t like using repurpose, you reutilize and, and disseminate everywhere else.

[00:15:19] But getting that, that transcription will help with some SEO. If you’re putting it on, say a blog post or giving a newsletter to people and kind of what you’ve talked about in recent spaces, if you’re hosting the constant space, So that would be that. And then any kind of recording, maybe you get some good nuggets that you use in, in certain audiograms to kind of promote what you are doing on the platform.

[00:15:43] Tanner Campbell: So overall excited about Twitter spaces, feel positive about it. I think you’re going to maintain your use of it. You’re going to keep on it. Yeah. 

[00:15:49] Pedro Maciel: Yes. I, I will continue to utilize it until either clubhouses or, or fireside chat becomes a little more prominent, but I think Twitter spaces right now, the way they are rolling everything out and Again, you know, Twitter, what was ahead of the game on a lot of things.

[00:16:05] So I think they might end up having a little more longevity when it comes to the audio plan 

[00:16:11] Tanner Campbell: from Pedro’s mouth to your ears.

[00:16:26] all right here in the second act, we’re going to take some questions from our listeners. The first one comes from the host of the shock Rose and cuss words, podcast, Catherine, for shakeout. She’s also founder of the woman’s club on clubhouse. So that’s clubhouse club. You can go follow she’s super interesting and cool and fun.

[00:16:44] And her question is. Where do you get music for your podcast and how do you know whether or not it’s safe? Specifically? Catherine had asked about podcast music. That’s suggested through podcast hosting providers, like maybe pod bean or Buzzsprout. And is that music safe to use? And how do you know whether or not it’s safety is Pedro?

[00:17:02] You use a lot of music in your podcast and in various things that you create, where do you get your music from? I get mine 

[00:17:09] Pedro Maciel: from epidemic sound. You know, you pay for a license. It’s not. That expensive. But with this license, you’re able to insert all your social media platforms that you are going to use it on which then covers you for what you’re using it for.

[00:17:23] So that way you don’t get that take down notice or that, you know, copyright infringement. Now one thing I would add is. When you are doing certain things with this music, if you going to sell certain things you would have to now get a different membership, a commercial membership, which is a little higher tier, but.

[00:17:44] You now have rights to the things that you download. 

[00:17:48] Tanner Campbell: So that’s you want it to resell the music or that’s, if you wanted to sell a product, which featured the music, like you make an audio book, you put some music in it and you sell the audio book. That’s a different license for the music. That is correct.

[00:17:59] Pedro Maciel: That’s a different license. You’re using a commercial leaf for gain. So if I were to make an audiogram audio book and sell that. For profit, that would be the commercial license. And that one, I believe is $50 

[00:18:10] Tanner Campbell: a month. But if I had a podcast and I put music in it from epidemic sound and I had patrons who came from my podcast, is that a regular license or is that a commercial license?

[00:18:21] As far as epidemic sound yeah. Is concerned. That is a regular license. I’m a big fan of art lists.io. Again, it’s not free. It’s $199 a year, so it’s a little pricey, but the good thing about it is. That one 99, if you don’t want to re up it at the end of the year, first of all, it’s unlimited. So you can, they have thousands of songs on this platform and they’re not like cheesy jingles.

[00:18:42] Like you can find on an audio jungle.net or a place like that, or a audio hero. Those are kind of cheap and quality and composition quality, but. Art list at IO, it’s real musicians making real songs with, and without lyrics, you actually usually get two options. If a song has lyrics, you have, you have an option to download the non lyric version of it.

[00:19:05] And you can use as many of those as you want. And they’re safe to use for the year that you’ve paid to license them. But also if you stop paying the license, anything that you had used previously continues to be licensed at infinitum. There isn’t currently a license for selling something with that in it.

[00:19:22] So like in the examples that Pedro was giving with epidemic sound, there’s not enough to your license. It’s just one 99 a year. I’m also a fan of chill hop records.com. You have to register with them to use it, but you can use it in your YouTube channel or your podcasts without fear of retribution. But if you want to license the songs that are, you know, like the latest Beyonce song or what have you, then you’ve got to go through some kind of music licensing platform now for podcast.

[00:19:49] Hosting provider is offering music to you to use in your podcast. There’s a really good chance that that’s pod safe because they’re recommending it. So if they recommend that you use it and there, and you’re not allowed to use it, first of all, they’re liable for that. They’re liable for that infringement because they would have, you would have acted in good faith based on information that they gave you.

[00:20:07]So they wouldn’t do that. They wouldn’t tell you that you could use it if you weren’t allowed to use it. So if a podcast hosting provider is saying, Hey, you can use this music in your podcast, then yes. More than likely, more than likely you can. And so our next question comes from Dr. Kelly Boucher or booshy.

[00:20:22] And she’s asking about green screens. Are they cheesy? Are they cool? How do you do one? Well, are they cheesy if they’re not done well and cool. If they are done well, what do you think, Pedro? Yeah. Great screens 

[00:20:32] Pedro Maciel: are definitely something that you put in your arsenal. If you’re doing video, if they’re done wrong, then yes, they become cheesy.

[00:20:39] You start to lose some of the chroma key. You don’t have good lighting and you’re, you know, it goes back and forth and you see what’s behind you. So. But they do become cool. If you do have the right green screen in your setup, as well as the right lighting. I repeat. If you’re going to use a green screen.

[00:20:56] In your setup, you have to have the correct lighting for the simple fact that with correct lighting, you light up the green screen behind you, which then takes away your green tone. And then you are able to chroma key, whatever you have your background as whether it be an office set up, whether it be a cool outer space, a green screen, but.

[00:21:16]You are able to do that. I record a lot of times inside of a hotel room. So green screens become cool because I don’t want to show everybody what’s behind me. You know, the extra bed or, or, you know, some laundry that I might have, you know, back in the 

[00:21:30] Tanner Campbell: background where all the towels that you’ve stolen to take home with you.

[00:21:34] Who does that? 

[00:21:35] Pedro Maciel: I don’t know. I don’t know what you’re talking about. Tanner 

[00:21:37] Tanner Campbell: Pedro takes ropes. Yes. 

[00:21:39] Pedro Maciel: The robes. But I mean, it, it, it really, it really is how you set it up and how you are lighting up your background for that green screen to work 

[00:21:49] Tanner Campbell: properly. So the idea of lighting it, so it works properly is when you chroma key something, you’re giving it a particular hue or color to remove from the video.

[00:21:58] So if you’re not lit, well, you get shadows on the green screen. All of a sudden it’s a different color than the color you told it to remove. And some of it stays there. Right? That’s the idea. 

[00:22:07] Pedro Maciel: That is correct. So to make it easy, you, you get yourself a very inexpensive ring light in put it in front of your camera.

[00:22:16] So that way your camera can see your face. And you know, you’re not casting those shadows. And then you chroma key, whatever you are going to utilize in your green screen out makes it a lot easier. It makes your production a lot more cool and 

[00:22:31] Tanner Campbell: not cheesy. So what are you using in the background for you?

[00:22:34] Pedro? Are you like a beach Palm trees kind of guy. You got a cityscape. What’s your favorite? Go-to green screen brick wall. My go-to 

[00:22:42] Pedro Maciel: is like a, a Tron type, a background, very futuristic. So it’s it, it’s a little darker because again, hotel rooms sometimes are super dark. But with my ring light, I’m able to, you know, make it pop.

[00:22:57] During those productions. 

[00:22:58] Tanner Campbell: How about Roman? What are you doing? You put in the binary code from the matrix behind you. What’s your style? I don’t do anything. I got this 

[00:23:04] Roman Prokopchuk: little set set up with the brick wall and everything. And some books, some, some branding, you know, one, one wall soundproofed and a calling.

[00:23:14] Tanner Campbell: Yeah. Yeah. Roman actually I think he’s, he’s glossing over that. Roman is the hardest worker here. I promise you because he has an actual set. He’s standing. And what I think, what I think is his kitchen, but if you ever see him on his podcast, he’s staying in front of a brick wall. He’s got a nice bookshelf.

[00:23:30] He’s got a mug that says like digital Savage experience. He’s got some acoustic treatments, it looks like he’s in a room that’s built for podcasting. And when he moves the whole thing, it really ruins the magic. Can you move it real quick? Can we see that real quick, Roman, maybe I’ll put this video up on the.

[00:23:45] On the website, you can move the whole thing and pick it up and just move it across the room. We’ll post that video on the, on the website or Facebook page or something. Cause that’s funny. I like the universe background, like to put a big light horse head Nebula behind me, but I don’t have room for a green screen where I am.

[00:23:59] I just sit in my corner with my books and I hope that most people think the background is fake. They think it’s a really. Compelling green-screen, I’ll take credit for that. That’s fine. And you 

[00:24:08] Pedro Maciel: bring up a good point. Tenor, you know, there are some that are, are meant for smaller spaces. Like, I would suggest the web around.

[00:24:17] Green screen. It’s a, it’s probably about 52 inches and it folds up very compactly, but you can put it on any office chair and you have a green screen, 

[00:24:27] Tanner Campbell: right? Oh, like up against the back of it. So it comes up like a high back chair or something. Yep. It comes, 

[00:24:32] Pedro Maciel: it actually comes up. Behind you. So then again, if you have a webcam of some sort and you’re able to zoom in or pan in a little bit, so that way you’re centered and your, your, your shot is square, you can do it.

[00:24:45] And that’s, that’s what I have. And it helps inside 

[00:24:47] Tanner Campbell: the hotel. I feel like I’ve seen these, these things, like they compact down into like those things you put on your. A car dashboard, right. To keep the sun off of your seats. It’s the same kind of thing. Yeah. Yep. It, 

[00:24:58] Pedro Maciel: it rolls up into, into a small circle and it’s, you know, it looks like one of the sunshades, so, very compact, very easy.

[00:25:05] Especially if you want a mobile setup. Like I have, so it works 

[00:25:11] Tanner Campbell: well. What’s it called for anybody who wants to check it out? We’ll put a link in the description, but what was the name? Yeah, 

[00:25:15] Pedro Maciel: it’s the web around 52 inch 

[00:25:17] Tanner Campbell: green screen. Okay, cool. Yeah, we will put a link to that in the description. And the last question also actually comes from Dr.

[00:25:23] Kelly Boucher or Boucher. Who, by the way, has a PhD in psychology and runs the podcast called bringing intimacy back. And she says, she’s nervous to podcast. And I said, well, that’s interesting because most of us would just be nervous to talk about intimacy. We’re all pretty, we’re all pretty fine with the podcasting.

[00:25:38] So she asks, what do you do when a guest says something you really don’t agree with? Like from an ideological standpoint, they say something that like, Oh gosh, maybe you’re Republican there. Not, and they say something that really rubs you the wrong way on a personal level. How do you deal with that? Or if they say something that you feel is going to make your audience bristle, what do you do about that?

[00:25:59] Roman, we’re gonna start with you because I think of inter I mean, man, I think you’ve probably even interviewed more people than I have. So you must get that. You’ve, you’ve run into this problem before I imagine 

[00:26:08] Roman Prokopchuk: I’ve had it in, in certain instances, but it’s, you know, situational. So like you said, it’s either.

[00:26:14] You know, in terms of ideology, I think it’s fine. If somebody doesn’t agree with your ideology, I think that’s the beauty of an interview and podcast. And you can listen to someone’s point of view unless they’re being aggressive or saying something that is totally false or making things up, which one you can kind of call them out or say, you know, can you elaborate?

[00:26:35] Or can you back that up with any statistics? If it’s something really You know, out there that you don’t necessarily even want in there. There’s the beauty of editing. So you can, you know, email or talk to that person right after you get off, you know, this made me feel uncomfortable or email them after the fact, is that all right, if I, you know, cut the segment out because I don’t think it aligns.

[00:26:57] With the show or the message I’m trying to portray. And, you know, I think it will make you even look better in terms of, you know, the audience or what you’re trying to achieve on the show, because, you know, maybe there was some conflict there. I’ve had situations where it was, it was kind of minimal, but I mean, I had people that are just like, not conversational.

[00:27:18] Like one question I’d like to ask this, you know what, what’s one weakness. You turned into a strength and the dude’s like, I have no weaknesses. So it’s just like, and then he ran off tangent. Like he’s the best. He’s perfect. He’s, you know, the alpha male of males. And it’s just like, Am I going to air this or not?

[00:27:34] So like some of the things, since I have a hundred episodes in queue for the digital Savage experience, like I listened to it and it’s like a new episode. So some, some segments I do cut out, but that’s kind of the beauty of it. And if you can explain that to the guest and why you want to do that. You can easily achieve it that way, or, you know, have a dialogue and my not agree in terms of your viewpoint, but you know, at least you have that conversation and you can listen to two 

[00:28:00] Tanner Campbell: points of view.

[00:28:01] What about you, Pedro? You ever run into a situation where somebody said something that’s just bristled you or you’re worried is going to offend your audience? Oh yeah, 

[00:28:08] Pedro Maciel: definitely. I’ve interviewed a couple of people and you know, they, what they said to some of the questions that were asked. And then just kinda, you know, tangenty would go off on little tangents that didn’t align with what was going on.

[00:28:21] And I’m just like, Hey, you know, I’m not going to use the past, you know, 25, 30 minutes of, of what we talked about. So. Either we can kind of retake it and see how you answer, or we will scratch the audio. You know, but again, it, it, it depends on what they’re, what they’re talking about and where they’re coming from.

[00:28:37] Tanner Campbell: I love that you just straight up tell him, you know, we’re not going to use that last 30 minutes cause buddy, you messed up. I’m not going to do that to my listeners. I’m a little bit in the same vein. I will edit pretty liberally. If need be. I mean, it’s, it’s my show. As far as I’m concerned, when we’re talking about, when we’re talking about my PI my podcast, not this one, this is our show, but you know, it is my show and I get the opportunity to decide what stays and what goes.

[00:29:02] And I don’t feel the need to ask permission so long as it doesn’t modify. You know, I would never cut something that made it seem as though someone was saying something they weren’t. But if it was something that I felt was offensive or was going to drive away my audience, it wasn’t the reason they showed up.

[00:29:17] Like if somebody starts talking very politically about an issue that probably shouldn’t have gone that way, and I really want to take care of the listener, I’ll edit them that way. I’m really on the lookout for the listener. I’m not thinking you can come up and agree with me and probably the most disagree with me in the most vehement ways.

[00:29:32]And I’m very happy to let you have your soap box and share your opinion. And it doesn’t usually bother me. I don’t think I’ve ever been bristled by, by a guest, but I do think about it for the sake of my listeners and. Wanting to make sure that they aren’t given a point of friction during the listening experience, because who wants that you want them to be happy and you also want to show your guests in the best light possible.

[00:29:54] So sometimes even when I’m editing, if a guest is stumbling through something, I do my very best to make sure that I edit that stumble. So they sound competent. Because when the, some, when I guess sounds incompetent because they’re just having a problem. Cause they’re nervous and they’re stuttering, you know, do them a favor and help them out because you know, they know their shit, but they’re just having a hard time.

[00:30:12] Cause they’re nervous on the show. So it’s situational, like Roman said, and like you’ve said, Pedro, for sure. Yeah.

[00:30:25] So five and the can Roman you say we’re getting better every time. Like building blocks, you still feel that way, buddy. Yeah, it’s it’s constant growth. I think Pedro, you were more of a Lincoln logs guy. The last time I checked, still feeling those Lincoln logs. Are you a Lego dude? Yeah. 

[00:30:39] Pedro Maciel: Oh no. I know Lincoln logs all the way Legos.

[00:30:42]That’s. That’s when we, when we level up, that might be next, next 

[00:30:45] Tanner Campbell: episode. I don’t know. I would go from Lincoln lacks to Lego’s to tease you all a little bit. In some upcoming episodes. We’ve got Brent from pod at Rob Greenlee of Libsyn, Dave Jackson, and hopefully Fallon for Tammy. We’ll try to get all those folks on this podcast to talk podcasting.

[00:31:00] And if we can’t, well, you’ll just hear from this really great gas named Pedro, this other guy named Roman and this total schmuck named Tanner hope. You’ve enjoyed this episode. . .

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